All - mens-professional: is-the-streak-really-over

behmer07 · Posted January 16, 2012 by behmer07

I'm curious about the forum's thoughts on Kane's streak coming to a supposed end. It seems to me that although it is technically a loss, since Kane did play and walk off the loser, that it is hardly different than the WBF that Jack Huczek had over him the year prior (at this same stop). That is to say the loss had nothing to do with Rocky's performance, and the loss was entirely due to Kane's body failing, like his previous forfeit, which was not counted against him.

Am I in the minority here? Thoughts?

John Behm
Gearbox Racquetball
250-T, 36 lbs

remo74tg · Posted January 16, 2012 by remo74tg

Last year was a little different because Kane never started the match against Jack. I believe that was the reasoning for the streak to continue. This time he started the match and forfeited.
Yes, according to the rules the streak is over. But we all feel he has to be beaten in three games for the streak to end.

PhatLefty · Posted January 16, 2012 by PhatLefty

I couldn't disagree more. Week in and week out, all of these guys are fighting nagging injuries here and there. Alvaro has been playing on bad knees for a couple of seasons, and the general wear and tear a body takes throughout a season leaves everyone injured at one point or another. Maybe it's a tribute to Rocky's fantastic training routine that he doesn't have injury forfeits on his record, which should and does count when tallying wins and losses.

It sucks that Kane's injured, but if he doesn't get the W the streak is over...

Control Freak · Posted January 16, 2012 by Control Freak

remo74tg
But we all feel he has to be beaten in three games for the streak to end.

You and young Behm are smoking crack.

Kane played the match. Kane lost the match. The streak is over. End of story.

kevdawg40 · Posted January 16, 2012 by kevdawg40

Hold on, let me put my crack pipe down...okay. Technically, per the rules, the streak is over. If you decide to take the court/field/whatever and can't continue, you default and one goes in the L column. But I also agree with Behmer that until I see Rocky win 3 games against Kane, I don't view it as a win. I like the guy but I don't think Rocky is any closer to beating Kane than he was 2 years ago.

bfr7kq6 · Posted January 16, 2012 by bfr7kq6

Not to get too technical ... but his streak "ended" in January 2011 when he forfeited in the semis of last year's Long Island event. I say this after having looked at the way Tennis handles these things; if Roger Federer defaults a match, its a loss on his record plain and simple. Maybe there's less emphasis on "on the court" versus "off the court" losses in Tennis, since there's never been a winning streak like Kanes, but you don't see tennis players creating the distinction of "on the court" versus "off the court" winning streaks.

Nonetheless, if you skip the Jan 11 default, Kane had 134 straight matches "on the court" without defeat. And if you count the Jan 11 default as a streak-ender, then he had two different streaks of 81 and 53 games of wins outright. Both those streaks are greater than Hogan's legendary streaks of 47 and 49 matches from the late 70s, so this isn't meant to disrespect the accomplishment by any means.

Coach Manny · Posted January 16, 2012 by Coach Manny

His accomplishments are astounding.

IMO, the winning streak ended when he took a loss last January to Jack Huczek via forfeit but his unbeaten streak continued.

He has still not been beaten by anyone.

He lost due to forfeit because of being sick and due to injury.

There is no doubt his "unbeaten" streak continues. No one has beaten him.

The truth is the truth.

No one has beaten him.

Winning streak ended last year and a new one began after that and now his second winning streak ended and a new one will begin when he recovers.

All in all though and I don't think anyone can deny this....his unbeaten streak continues. He has not been beaten. Sickness and injury beating him does not count.

Manny

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RBforlife · Posted January 16, 2012 by RBforlife

Control Freak

Kane played the match. Kane lost the match. The streak is over. End of story.

Agreed. Time now for Kane to start another streak . . . his body willing!

BackhandSplat · Posted January 16, 2012 by BackhandSplat

Whether the streak is over or not, the real meaning of the streak still exists...

nobody has an answer for Kane's game on the court. He seems flat out unstoppable.

Whether the streak is 137 or 250, the reality is that Kane is still going to win when he comes back, and nobody has been able to change that.

tonyh · Posted January 16, 2012 by tonyh

Absolutely! The Streak continues!
Post an asterisk next to it errr ... or two.

JCamasto · Posted January 16, 2012 by JCamasto

The real Streak is:

Kane 0
NYC 2

From The Racquetball Blog: "Perhaps Waselenchuk would be well advised to pass on the New York City Pro-Am in the future, as this is the fourth time he's defaulted at it. Last year, he came down with flu that forced him to default prior to his semi-final match with Jack Huczek. Waselenchuk also defaulted two Round of 16 matches in the 2004 and 2006 New York City Pro-Am events."

Control Freak · Posted January 16, 2012 by Control Freak

Coach Manny
There is no doubt his "unbeaten" streak continues. No one has beaten him.

The truth is the truth.

No one has beaten him.

Winning streak ended last year and a new one began after that and now his second winning streak ended and a new one will begin when he recovers.

All in all though and I don't think anyone can deny this....his unbeaten streak continues. He has not been beaten. Sickness and injury beating him does not count.

Rocky Carson and Kane Waselenchuk were playing a match. Rocky was ahead in the game and Kane quit.

Rocky beat Kane. The streak is over. The IRT says so, go to the site.

Generation P Clinton-Era pantywaists go home and nurse your bottles. But I do thank you all for making me feel good about myself and reminding why I am still kicking the crap out of talented but pussy players half my age.

behmer07 · Posted January 16, 2012 by behmer07

CF,

Would you admit that Kane has not been beaten yet, despite the fact that it is technically a loss? As you said yourself, he "quit" Rocky did not beat him.

Also, since when does a lead count as a win in anyone's books?

John Behm
Gearbox Racquetball
250-T, 36 lbs

thekingandi · Posted January 16, 2012 by thekingandi

Its over.The same way a win is a win.A loss is a loss.Streak over.

Tim Delaney
New Hampshire-GO SOX and PATS!
Yankees SUCK

thekingandi · Posted January 16, 2012 by thekingandi

Its over.The same way a win is a win.A loss is a loss.Streak over.

Tim Delaney
New Hampshire-GO SOX and PATS!
Yankees SUCK

Control Freak · Posted January 16, 2012 by Control Freak

behmer07
CF,

Would you admit that Kane has not been beaten yet, despite the fact that it is technically a loss? As you said yourself, he "quit" Rocky did not beat him.

Also, since when does a lead count as a win in anyone's books?

Are you serious? When does a loss count as remaining unbeaten?

When you are in a competition with another man and you quit, the other man wins. That is the definition of the competition. This is not my opinion, those are the rules.

According to you and some others, all I have to do is set foot on the court with Kane, play one rally, and quit.

Cool. I am now UNDEFEATED against the best player that ever lived. I BEAT KANE WASELENCHUK. My back my runny nose my daddy's verbal abuse my prom date (pick one) kept me from continuing, but shit if my unbeaten streak doesn't continue.

Maybe I'll get a book deal or hit the talk show circuit with my accomplishment.

Coach Manny · Posted January 16, 2012 by Coach Manny

JCamasto
The real Streak is:

Kane 0
NYC 2

Hilarious!!!!

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Coach Manny · Posted January 16, 2012 by Coach Manny

Control Freak

Rocky beat Kane.

Rocky beating Kane and Kane losing because of injury are not the same.

Yes Rocky won the match. Not because he "beat" Kane 3 out of 5 but because Kane forfeited due to injury.

I can see your side (except the post clinton era comment) but it's about beating Kane. he wasn't beaten. Yes he lost...winning streak comes to an end again. But he wasn't beaten by Rocky.

Tough to say really overall.

He wasn't beaten...that is my point. Yes he lost. But Rocky didn't beat him in a match which constitutes winning 3 games out of 5. Rocky won the match because of injury.

Think this can be a great debate if we can all be mature about it and leave the immature comments out of it.

All I'm trying to say,

Manny

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Control Freak · Posted January 16, 2012 by Control Freak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

jwoolcock · Posted January 16, 2012 by jwoolcock

Control
LOL
At least you had a prom date. What about mine, Mic? I never had no prom date!

Jim