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I could explain why outdoor is so critical, but it would be a very long post.:cheesy:
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Melle wrote:
I cannot imagine any club embracing the 2nd program. I have been part of several clubs; some of which use racquetball as a draw but do not organize and 1 club that had a very successful, long term and organized program. The first club would not in any way shape or form allow any "National" governing body to into their club to tell them how to run a racquetball program. Racquetball has already served its purpose and they are currently one of the largest distributors nationally for a major racquetball racquet manufacturer. 97% of their sales come in the form of "beginner" racquetball sets. How would a national organization help them improve their program and how do you propose to make them be part of a mandatory program?
The 2nd club already has excellent racquetball programs (leagues, clinics and tournaments) and sport management so any interference by a "national" organization would be nothing more then interference. The Owner, General Manager and Sports coordinator run one of the best programs and clubs in the country by continuously promoting the sport through leagues for all skill levels, equipment demo days, clinics (club and/or national personnel) and tournaments.
Maybe I am missing something but I basically fail to see where a "National" organization is going to benefit either one of the clubs. Like anything else the growth of racquetball has to be part of a grass roots movement. That does not, however, mean letting each club figure things out without any sort of guidance and assistance. State organizations can have a huge impact if they perform their functions as needed. In other words, put together some fairly basic guidelines for building a successful club with racquetball. Use real data to show new or existing clubs how to use racquetball to increase their membership and profits by incorporating racquetball into their health clubs. Use real examples of profitable clubs and references from those clubs that are willing to share ideas etc.
We (the racquetball community) already have this forum as a national meeting place and there are several other tools already available that can help generate interest in the sport. The manufacturers are already doing a lot considering their current potential ROI. Who does that leave to help push racquetball to the forefront; clubs and local and state organizations.
Here is a list of what I believe needs to happen to grow this sport:
1) It can start with meet and play members. Get the owners and general managers of clubs that have successfully incorporated racquetball into their clubs to come to this forum and drop ideas, hints, suggestions into a part of this forum that is easily accessible even without registering.
2) You are not going to see many new clubs incorporate racquetball into new facilities without an extremely valid reason, more revenue and profit. Provide easily accessible real world data and suggestions for running a club centered around or at least including racquetball that is easily distributed. Ie: .2 page pdf doc available for download from here, USRA (or is it URSA or ASUR etc), RacqetballWarehouse.com, IRT-Tour etc.
3) Run a national yearly or semi-yearly mailing (or email) campaign to all athletic clubs that includes the pdf doc above, links to other available resources etc. State organizations will not do this as many of the board members would essentially be asking clubs in their home towns to add more services and enter in to their current niche.
4) Leave the USRA as is with the exception that they do something other than send me a yearly membership renewal. Racquetball needs to be promoted nationally otherwise you are basically getting specific health club advertising, not racquetball advertising.
5) I could go on and on but I will make this the last point, for now. Racquetball, as we all know, is a large investment for a health club. The average court costs $70-$100k (correct me if I am wrong). Basically here is what you are asking someone to spend in the “hopes” of drawing in more customers. 5 courts @ $85k = $425k. Amortized over 5 years (yes I know that a building or addition to a building can be amortized for a longer period of time) would require the addition of 142 new members paying $50 per month. That is break even at a very basic level. Add in additional monthly expenses incurred: additional liability insurance, additional employment expenses (salary, benefits etc), additional janitorial expenses etc. you would realistically need to bring in a total of 250 new members in addition to projected yearly growth. No, that’s not 250 new members, that’s 250 new members who would not have joined without the racquetball courts in place. All of the above to lead to this point; racquetball growth can and will progress faster as soon as communities embrace outdoor racquetball. Most cities already have parks or recreation facilities. Start a fundraiser to raise enough money to put in 1-2 outdoor racquetball courts. It would be easy enough to provide entry level racquets each year and that would give club owners an idea of the general interest in the sport verses a leap of faith. It also gives new players a chance to play and learn the sport without a large financial commitment. This would work even better in cold climates as players would move indoors in the cooler (or downright fricken cold) months.
In summary:
• Get the ones who know the most about building successful racquetball and health club programs to share their knowledge.
• Provide a basic outline on how to make a club successfully (profitably) incorporate racquetball.
• Let the USRA (or whatever it is called) handle all national exposure and state and local groups handle anything within their respective regions.
• Promote outdoor racquetball. It costs less to build, lasts longer and more importantly is accessible to more people with little or no investment on their part.
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BillB wrote:
How will the survey be used? Who will see/use it? I'm not opposed to such a thing, just wondering what's the use? If you get, say, 14 people to respond, what does that mean, and what does that do to your considerations for sampling error, validity, etc?
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Jordan
You are lucky to have such a well established racquetball program.
I am sure everyone would love to hear the name of the facility. This club would be foolish to try anything new, since it sounds like they have a well managed racquetball program with no need to further increase any type of programs or create new generated income.
Jordan
There are some facilities that offer fantastic programs, with members calling in days in advance to reserve court time. When members are on waiting lists for filled programs and court time, the management has done their job.
Unfortunately, not all players (nationwide) have the luxury of belonging to such a dedicated facility that actively promotes racquetball.
I don't recall any “mandatory program”. The original post was describing the differences in types of promotional agendas at “existing facilities” that have racquetball courts.
No facility would be “forced” to do anything, and could “pick and choose” what programs, if any, best fit their facility needs.
Jordan
I would be interested in hearing about a few facilities that had no programs, then suddenly blossomed by simply “offering” a program adopted from “other tools already available”?
It's not just a “program”, its the “people behind the program”.
I am not interested in re-inventing the wheel, so please explain what “tools” and “programs” you are referring to?
Jordan
By the way, this post was NOT about “building” new courts, only how to utilize and promote programs at existing facilities that have courts.
Jordan
Yes, existing courts (or new courts) cost upwards of $60,000. But that “space” used is a two story, 40 foot by 20 foot room occupied by two members per hour. Imagine how many more “memberships” could be sold if the same space was occupied by 60 members per hour?
Jordan
This is why it is so crucial that racquetball courts be utilized as much as possible by “different” racquetball members, and not just the same 40 racquetball members who play 3 of 4 times a week. Facilities rather have 200 new members who are happy playing once or twice a week, and not just between 5pm and 7pm Monday thru Thursday nights.
Jordan
Ironically, the tournament players are the “last group” that needs support, since they already play, have facility memberships and make regular equipment purchases.
But a “handful” of tournament players can never support the sport alone.
Yes, there are a few “rare exceptions” where a “few” facilities have “several dozen” active tournament playing members. But I guarantee a better choice is to have “several HUNDRED” recreational members who never played tournaments.
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5 Survey Questions (please read 2 plans and explanations below)
There 2 basic plans to promote racquetball.
Question 1) Which do you like?
Question 2) Which do you think has a better chance?
Question 3) Which would you participate in (local club programs or sanctioned tournaments)?
Question 4) Which would you support, by volunteering your time or money?
Question 5) Do you have any suggestions?
Pros and Cons
Plan 1) Trickle Down Plan
Trickle Down (Promote Pros, TV and Olympics) has no current market, outside of the 25,000 existing national tournament players, but could reach a very large audience if it became an Olympic sport, or was televised.
Very expensive to produce national events, pay for TV time and have staff organize events. Olympics only create excitement every 4 years, with limited exposure at the national level.
Advantages of having one national organization run events, saving state and local organizations and clubs any work.
These new players could enter tournaments, which was the main purpose of the Trickle Up plan, but few “new” players have courage or time to participate in tournaments.
Problem arises when new players want to learn and play racquetball, but there are no “existing local club programs” to support these new players.
Typical tournament players have competitive playing experience in leagues, challenge courts or playing frequently with others. Something that requires existing club programs and time for players to excel.
Plan 2) Trickle Up Plan
The Trickle Up plan requires a national program at local facilities that introduces and teaches new players basic skills and promotes organized play.
Inexpensive, since one national program is used by all facilities, but requires involvement by many facilities nationwide.
Requires local contact staff, but staff consists of current or retired “volunteers” who have a love of the game, who follow one national program guide. Higher level experienced players and instructors would be paid to host and instruct programs.
Local facilities that don't have the money, experience or staff, would welcome a national recognized program at their facility. Facilities are interested in programs that generate income, or sell and retain club memberships.
New players want fun club programs that provide basic instructional skills, to meet other players, and participate in organized friendly mixers and challenge courts.
As new players increase their skills, they want to join competitive leagues, and eventually participate in tournaments.
This program cycle continues, with new players increasing program growth and club income.